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Doc
01-28-2008, 07:57 PM
If you are boat shopping be sure to post in this forum. We'll help all we can. We've all been there. It's exciting for sure, share some of the excitement with your buddies here on NBT.

waybomb
01-28-2008, 09:15 PM
I'm shopping for a 120' Burger. Buying, well, that's another story....

Doc
01-29-2008, 06:58 AM
I googled 120' Burger and got burger recipies and Burger King info, but no boat. What the heck is a 120 Burger?

If it's a boat I suppose it's much like me looking at the 38 ft Cigs at the boat shows. I know I'm not going to buy one, but I love looking. :D

waybomb
01-29-2008, 07:37 PM
http://www.burgerboat.com

Right here in Manitowoc

Their last two boats were 120 footers, a pair, built for a Russian gazillionaire.

One for the Med, one for the Carribean.

So it's unique to own a pair of yachts. But these were special. They were identical in every way. The fanaticism included using a laser to ensure each doorway was identical to its twin.

I wish I had that kind of money to be fanatical with.

Doc
01-31-2008, 03:18 PM
WOW! Those are nice.
Lets pretend you were able to get one. How would you use it? Were you wanting it to travel the world or just your Lake Michgan?

(I changed the sig file allotments so you have an extra couple of lines to play with.)

waybomb
01-31-2008, 06:20 PM
Oh ya, all the Great Lakes first, then up the St Lawrence all the way, then down the east coast, islands, Mexico, Canal, up the west coast, ship it to te Med, then to Australia. I'd just keep going until I ran outa money. I don't need a house or a home, other than a boat.

The best part is, my wife feels the same way. We could boat 24/7 x 365 x forever.

Doc
01-31-2008, 06:40 PM
Oh ya, all the Great Lakes first, then up the St Lawrence all the way, then down the east coast, islands, Mexico, Canal, up the west coast, ship it to te Med, then to Australia. I'd just keep going until I ran outa money. I don't need a house or a home, other than a boat.

The best part is, my wife feels the same way. We could boat 24/7 x 365 x forever.
:applause: :applause: Good answer. I would love to cruise the North American continent. I had not considered Australia or the Med. Both would be awesome though. My wife also feels the same. :thumb: Sounds like we found the right women for us. :D :thumb:

I've sailed the Med, went through the Panama canal, and crossed both the Atlantic and Pacific but all that was with the US Navy. On my own yacht I'm sure it would be even more fun. :thumb:

waybomb
01-31-2008, 08:14 PM
I blew it a few years ago. A very wealthy guy I knew bought a surplus military boat of some sort. Something in the 175' range. He was taking it from San Diego to Florida for refitting into personal yacht.

I get a call from John one day. I had no idea he had bought this boat or was even looking. He had a 55 Carver and a an older 85' Broward at the time.

This is about how the conversation went:

Fred, ya gotta come to Panama?
Um, uh, who is this?
John xxxxx, ya gotta hi-tail it to Panama
Hi John, why?
Just get Mary and get on a plane and get down here. One way tickets.
Um, what's up?
Jeez, I'll fly you down here, Midway or Ohare?
John, slow down, tell me what the problem is.
No problem, I just bought this boat and will be heading through the Panama Canal in a day or two and you mguys can come with the rest of the way to Florida.


Anywayz, I was so swamped just then at work that I just couldn't go. Would have been fun though.

Doc
02-01-2008, 06:46 AM
Ahhh, that's to bad. What a trip that would have been. To bad he didn't give you a little notice.....but sometimes spur of the moment things can be the most fun of all.

Going through the canal the 1st time was awesome. I had a buddy stationed there, and he knew the ship I was on. He contacted me and I caught a ride over on our supply helo. Got to visit for an hour or so and then flew back to the ship. I took pics of the locking through process. It was really cool getting through the canel and getting into the Pacific. The water was different than the Atlantic, at least it appeared that way to us. We sailed up to Hawaii and even had a bunch of dolphins escort us to the Islands. Then off to the Philippines. We also did stops in Hong Kong and Singapore. We tried for Australia, but they did not wast US ships there at the time. It took us 30 days to cross the Pacific coming back from the Philippines. We went directly to Seal Beach CA. (between LA & San Diego). Sure was nice to get back to the states. We did LA, then we went to Tijuana :pat:

Crums
02-02-2008, 10:59 AM
I never knew you locked through the Panama canal, that's something I've always wanted to do. I've seen it on tv a bunch of times, but I bet it's incredible to go through in person. Do you have any pics?

Doc
02-02-2008, 12:47 PM
Yep, I had pics. I think they are in one of a few shoe boxes of pics stashed in the basement. :hide:

waybomb
02-03-2008, 01:06 PM
Actually, we are boat shopping. Right now we are thinking about a 45 foot trawler single diesel type. This would be for vacations on Lake Michigan and beyond. We plan on a loop trip in a few years. A single diesel trawler would be perfect. If we bought a decent used boat now, we could have her all set up for the big trip by then.

Doc
02-03-2008, 02:20 PM
Fred, I'm afraid you would have speed withdrawals after very long on the trawler....or would you tow plain vanilla behind you?

waybomb
02-03-2008, 11:25 PM
When it's time for the loop, I'll probably sell PV. We plan on taking at least 12 months for the loop trip.

Pamz72
02-25-2008, 10:09 AM
We are looking for a small bowrider, 175 -18. We have went to all the boat shows, and now our real problem arises. We went home and measured our garage door opening and our garage is only 7'11"wide. My husband found that Bayliner has a boatw/trailer that will give an inch on each side, but not sure about Bayliners...help

Doc
02-25-2008, 11:30 AM
Bayliners don't hold their value for some reason, so you'll find those cheaper than others.
Some Bayliners were underpowered. Stay away from those. Nothing worse than getting a few folks out boating with you and not being able to plane off without moving folks to the front. It's not safe either.
My first run about was a four winns. Great boats if you can find one in your price range.
Most boat trailers will not fit in a garage opening of 7'11". You might have to store it somewhere else for easy access. You can rent a spot for it, but that sure does add to the cost of ownership.
Look at a lot of different boats before you buy. You'll be glad you did. :thumb:

Crums
02-25-2008, 09:41 PM
I'll second Doc's advice about Bayliners, there's a reason they're inexpensive! I know multiple people who didn't listen to the advice of avoiding the bayliner, one friend of mine had to replace the motor the first season. The dealer replaced that boat and the replacement had outdrive issues. I've heard they have exhaust manifold issues as well. Four winns, chris craft, and searay have good reputations. Look at used boats if this is your first and have it checked by a mechanic before puchasing (my opinion).

Av8r3400
02-26-2008, 12:03 AM
Maybe this is off topic, or just reminiscing, but my dad always talked about one of these (http://www.bluewateryacht.com/index.htm) as his ultimate goal.

I grew up boating the upper Mississippi river out of LaCrosse (in a 1977 27' Bayliner [Victoria, I think?])

Doc
02-26-2008, 08:52 AM
Sure all boats count Av9tr. :D
Bluewater is a GREAT boat. We had a 48' one in our boat club last year. Beautiful boat. I finally saw it cruising at night with the blue lights it was quite a site. The owners have retired and moved (with the Bluewater) to FL last fall so it won't be this season darnit.

waybomb
02-26-2008, 11:12 PM
On Bayliner - they are now vacuum forming all the smaller boats in Mexico. That's something most don't offer. The quality of the hull should be greatly improved. But yes, Bayliner does build a cheap and inexpensive boat.

If you are on a small inland lake, why buy something for Lake Michigan? A Bayliner fills the bill. But I would always, without a doubt, make sure you get it with biggest power available. If you buy used, even a small boat, pay a professional surveyor for both a hull and an engine survey. It'll cost a few hundred bucks, and is no guarantee you'll get a great boat, but a pro will point out problems.

It is a buyers market. Don't buy something with surveyor-found issues. Run away.

Lerianix2000
02-25-2009, 06:36 PM
Hi I'm in the process of buying a boat and would like to know your opinion on these boat brands for a 20'.

Sea ray
Hurricane
Maxum
Four winds

will apreciate the help

Doc
02-26-2009, 08:53 AM
Hi, and welcome to Net Boat Talk. I'm glad you joined up.

Are you looking at new or used? The used market has a lot to offer and can save you a few bucks for sure.
I've owned a Four Winns and have been in a SeaRay and Maxum. I know Four Winns and SeaRay best. Both are top notch boats. Highly desirable. Maxum has a good rep also, I was on one of those, but I don't know it as well as the other. Hurricane is a new one to me. Don't take that to mean anything negative, I just have not run into that brand.
My daughter and her hubby are also in the market for a 20 to 22 ft cuddy cabin. I'm hoping they can find a Four Winns or SeaRay in their price range.

waybomb
02-26-2009, 08:10 PM
Sea ray
Hurricane
Maxum
Four winds


I have no idea on the Hurricane, never heard of them. Are they local to your area?

Maxum is one step above a Bayliner.

Four Winns and Sea Ray are quality boats and hold value.

If all you will be doing is inland small lake boating, you don't an expensive boat, nor a fast boat. Just find something with a goood service history. It would do you good to pay a surveyor to perform a complete survey, including engines and drive, on the boat you want to buy. Could save you big bucks in the long run.

pugger
02-26-2009, 11:29 PM
After buying a brand new boat & motor in June of 2007 (actually bought it in March but delivery went a little longer than promised 10 weeks) I can give a somewhat educated opinion. If you want to buy new, and you want to get a boat w/ less than you think you need, and if you want shoddy workmanship & poor attention to detail in its manufacture, and if you want the dealer to show maximum indifference to any of your desires or dissatisfactions - go to Tracker Marine.:shitHitsFan:

PS, in the graphic, the face wiping the dark stuff off would be you - the customer.

Doc
02-27-2009, 09:06 AM
Sorry about your bad experience Pugger. I've never bought a new boat. I hate the depreciation plus I feel I can usually get more boat for the money by getting slightly used boat with 200 -300 hours on it, and get it for 1/2 the price it sold for new. I've been able to buy a Four Winns that way and a Baja, and most recently a houseboat. It's worked out great for me.

pugger
02-27-2009, 08:03 PM
Ideally I would have done it that way myself. I'm a bit long in the tooth & being the first time I was sure I needed to start w/ new. I'm telling you I could have found a boat in better condition/working order than the new one!:poster_oops:

Doc
02-27-2009, 08:24 PM
Like Fred (waybomb) mentioned, getting a survey on a used boat can make buying used as hassel free as buying new. Surveys are not cheap, but they can save you thousands, very much like a house appraisal can save you. Always good to have an outside pro look at things. They'll think of things you never thought of.

AllenOK
04-27-2009, 12:59 PM
Hi Doc,

I'm in the market for something to go fishing with. I've looked at a fiberglass trihull. It was old. PeppA, my other half, refused to let me haul it with her truck, and drove off while I was looking at it.

My parents have a bass boat that they aren't using. I know it has "something" wrong with it, but no idea what it is. For all I know, it could be missing the plug. I do not know if they even want to sell it, but I know they could use the money.

I've recently been told that I should basically forget about using PeppA's truck to tow a boat, and just get a canoe or a kayak and throw it on top of my car.

I've been pricing canoes and kayaks, and have found some, new, that are well within my price range.

That said, I've never owned a boat before. I do have experience in canoes, small sailboats, rowboats, and small powerboats, thanks to the Boy Scouts. Lots of experience in canoes. I was thinking that would be the direction I would go, then I started looking at the kayaks. Those look interesting, the sit-on type.

Something small like that would open up most of the lake I live near, including some areas that are NOT accessible to powerboats. It would also open up the main creek both above and below the lake. There's another small lake about 12 miles away that I could put a canoe or kayak into as well.

Do any of the members of this forum have experience with fishing kayaks? I'd be interested in discussing ideas with them.

Doc
04-27-2009, 05:05 PM
Come on Peppa, Allen needs a truck to tow his boat. :D

They do have some extra nice john boats that will get all the places you are after. A go fast bass boat does not sound like the solution for you. Some lakes have horsepower limits so you might want to double check that before you buy. I prefer to buy used. But I also buy used cars and trucks when I can. A slightly used boat can save you a few thousand, and will maintain it's value better than a new boat. Slightly used is the best of all, but can be hard to find.
So, will you consider buying used? Many times used will have the motor, trolling motor, life jackets, ropes, extra battery all already with it. With a new boat you have to buy all that individually. It can be expensive.
I started out with a canoe. Loved it. A neat way to go if you'll be boating & paddling without a motor. A motor sure makes it much easier getting around though.

OhioTC18
04-27-2009, 06:09 PM
You can always put a trolling motor on a canoe if you like to fish too.
I had a 14' jon boat for a few years. I used a trolling motor on it. It was REAL slow. Then got a 6HP evinirude, which my my favorite lake's limit. Hauled it in the back of and on top of a station wagon. :lol:

AllenOK
04-27-2009, 09:02 PM
Doc, I've NEVER bought a new vehicle. Always used. I cannot afford a new motorboat. I've been looking at used motorboats, until someone I worked with suggested I just get a canoe or kayak. That person also mentioned that I wouldn't have to tag/title said canoe or kayak. However, if I understand how the State of Oklahoma works in regards to boats, if it floats, it has to be tagged, irregardless of size. Technically, a floating lawnchair needs to be tagged, although game wardens and OK Lake Patrols officers don't normally check titles/tags on inflatables, floating chairs, someone riding a log, etc.

I have thought about a jon boat as well. I don't really want a bass boat. I need something with gunwhales or rails that I can easily mount rod-holders onto. You can legally have 7 poles in the water, per person, in most waters, unless said lakes have further restrictions.

I have seen where someone took some steel framing, drilled it, and use that to mount rod holders onto, then mounted the steel framing to the aft deck of his bass boat.

waybomb
04-29-2009, 09:49 PM
Find a used boat in the area that has been already set up for fishing in your area. Just drive around and look what's in people's yards. Stop by and ask when you find a nice small jon boat. You may be surprised.

Doc
04-30-2009, 10:20 AM
Yep, what Fred /waybomb said. Also check craigslist.org and your local buy/sell/trade papers. This is a good time of year to find a good buy. Price wise I'd guess you'd be at 1 to 2k for a setup jon boat. But even a canoe will run over 500, so be prepared.